If your cat has Moderator Bands, and/or pleural effusion-which requires constant needle aspiration to withdraw fluid from around the lungs, there are two things you should try: switch from lasix to torsemide. It's stronger, works faster on pleural effusion than lasix and theoretically requires less mg per volume than lasix. Extra potassium is needed as torsemide can deplete potassium and other electrolytes. Potassium is necessary for kidney function. Use Gerber baby food sweet potato (highest food source for potassium) and Tumil-K and Sundown Potassium (or another regular source but we use and like this product.) The other thing is rutin. Ask your vet if white fluid comes out when fluid is withdrawn from around the lungs with the needle. This is lymphatic fluid and can cause scar tissue or fibrosis to form in the lungs, creating pockets for fluid to sit (and impossible to withdraw) and the fibrosis makes breathing painful and difficult. We are using rutin from Whole Foods. We give 750mg daily-divided up over four times a day. We have used this for a month and so far, scar tissue hasn't formed.
I began this blog in March 2014 when our cat suddenly developed symptoms of heart disease after dental surgery in February. Unfortunately, the disease took him August 9, 2014. Now that he has passed, there isn't much more to add to the blog but I will post something from time to time. Please read the corresponding blog "Cat Living with HCM" and the Facebook pages Cats Living with HCM and the Feline Moderator Band Facebook page.
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Friday, May 23, 2014
Feline Moderator Band Use of Lasix: Cooper Back to Cardiologist for Oxygen and Lasix Due to Congestion
Cooper has been struggling all week with congestion and we've struggled to figure out the correct dose of lasix needed, timing of doses, and when he needed an injection to overcome the congestion. We communicated daily and sometimes often during the day with the cardiologist to get input. We had a protocol, a method, a process to follow. We knew what to do when, how quickly to respond to an increase in breathing, and how quickly to text the cardiologist to alert her of a new issue. And still, we all struggled to meet his needs.
Katharine Hepburn had an appointment for Thursday due to a gallop murmur (and an earlier post noted the cardiologist heard a mild murmur and saw no signs of heart disease) and Cooper already had the same appointment made in March because this was to be a checkup. But he had just been to the ER a couple weeks prior and everyone expected that he would recover and not need to be seen at this time. But we kept the appointment just in case. Despite recovering from the ER, despite trying a new drug (spironolactone/hydrochlorothiazide) and having it upset his system (nausea, diarrhea) and dropping the drug and bouncing back quickly from it, and despite an even breathing process, and despite controlling for heat, cold, and not allowing him to be in the sun for prolonged periods or in any open window at any time, he still developed congestion. And we couldn't get rid of it.
So, Thursday, Katharine, Cooper, and I went to the cardiologist. They took xrays which showed congestion in the right lung and only slight congestion in the left. They were going to give him a lasix injection but then he suddenly couldn't breathe well and was making gurgling, panic noises.
They put him in the oxygen cage and gave him lasix IV injections. They kept him from 1:30 until 6:30. He quickly responded to the use of oxygen and lasix which was an excellent sign. They weaned him off oxygen and his breathing rate dropped to 8/15, and we finally went home at 7 p.m. As of today, his breathing is still at 8.
The cardiologist has taken him off of lasix and given him a new loop diuretic to try. We will begin using it today. He will get the med twice a day and three times if needed. We will know after a day or two if the med is working to decrease congestion and we will know in 3-5 days if the med does or does not upset his stomach. In between doses, we can give injections as needed, which we would more likely consult with the cardio about the dose before giving an injection. The new drug is called Torsemide. It stays in the body and works in the body longer than furosemide (lasix.) In human patients it is shown to have a greater decrease in recurrence in congestion. But it can also deplete the body of electrolytes via extraction of fluid, leading to many adverse side effects. It can also deplete the kidneys of potassium and can cause stress on the kidneys. We will give 1/4 of a 10mg pill. He will go from 80 to 100 mg of lasix to 5mg of Torsemide a day.
She also suggested we use a potassium supplement called Tumil-K (we will use Sundown potassium, and Gerber baby sweet potatoes also as a potassium source.)
The cardio and I had separately come to the conclusion that trips to the vet were becoming stressful for Cooper and counterproductive-although he needed oxygen and IV lasix this time-and that going forward, Cooper will see the cardio or vet only when necessary and not for checkups.
By the way, they know when he's feeling better when he hisses and growls at them!
Here are her notes:
"Despite continued increases in his cardiac medication doses, Cooper has again relapsed into congestive heart failure. He is receiving extraordinary doses of lasix to try to maintain his comfort in breathing and we are having continued relapses in symptoms. Unfortunately, he did not tolerate hydrochlorothiazide well and that mediation had to be discontinued. I would now like to switch his lasix to a much more potent diuretic called torsemide. Torsemide functions very similarly to lasix. The risks of this medication include kidney failure and electrolyte depletion. The major benefit would be more steady control of Cooper's symptoms. Today's laboratory results indicate that Cooper is an acceptable candidate for this medication. To help prevent excessive potassium depletion, I would like you to begin supplementation with Tumil-K (potassium supplement.)
Katharine Hepburn had an appointment for Thursday due to a gallop murmur (and an earlier post noted the cardiologist heard a mild murmur and saw no signs of heart disease) and Cooper already had the same appointment made in March because this was to be a checkup. But he had just been to the ER a couple weeks prior and everyone expected that he would recover and not need to be seen at this time. But we kept the appointment just in case. Despite recovering from the ER, despite trying a new drug (spironolactone/hydrochlorothiazide) and having it upset his system (nausea, diarrhea) and dropping the drug and bouncing back quickly from it, and despite an even breathing process, and despite controlling for heat, cold, and not allowing him to be in the sun for prolonged periods or in any open window at any time, he still developed congestion. And we couldn't get rid of it.
So, Thursday, Katharine, Cooper, and I went to the cardiologist. They took xrays which showed congestion in the right lung and only slight congestion in the left. They were going to give him a lasix injection but then he suddenly couldn't breathe well and was making gurgling, panic noises.
They put him in the oxygen cage and gave him lasix IV injections. They kept him from 1:30 until 6:30. He quickly responded to the use of oxygen and lasix which was an excellent sign. They weaned him off oxygen and his breathing rate dropped to 8/15, and we finally went home at 7 p.m. As of today, his breathing is still at 8.
The cardiologist has taken him off of lasix and given him a new loop diuretic to try. We will begin using it today. He will get the med twice a day and three times if needed. We will know after a day or two if the med is working to decrease congestion and we will know in 3-5 days if the med does or does not upset his stomach. In between doses, we can give injections as needed, which we would more likely consult with the cardio about the dose before giving an injection. The new drug is called Torsemide. It stays in the body and works in the body longer than furosemide (lasix.) In human patients it is shown to have a greater decrease in recurrence in congestion. But it can also deplete the body of electrolytes via extraction of fluid, leading to many adverse side effects. It can also deplete the kidneys of potassium and can cause stress on the kidneys. We will give 1/4 of a 10mg pill. He will go from 80 to 100 mg of lasix to 5mg of Torsemide a day.
| Cooper at the cardiologist |
She also suggested we use a potassium supplement called Tumil-K (we will use Sundown potassium, and Gerber baby sweet potatoes also as a potassium source.)
The cardio and I had separately come to the conclusion that trips to the vet were becoming stressful for Cooper and counterproductive-although he needed oxygen and IV lasix this time-and that going forward, Cooper will see the cardio or vet only when necessary and not for checkups.
By the way, they know when he's feeling better when he hisses and growls at them!
Here are her notes:
"Despite continued increases in his cardiac medication doses, Cooper has again relapsed into congestive heart failure. He is receiving extraordinary doses of lasix to try to maintain his comfort in breathing and we are having continued relapses in symptoms. Unfortunately, he did not tolerate hydrochlorothiazide well and that mediation had to be discontinued. I would now like to switch his lasix to a much more potent diuretic called torsemide. Torsemide functions very similarly to lasix. The risks of this medication include kidney failure and electrolyte depletion. The major benefit would be more steady control of Cooper's symptoms. Today's laboratory results indicate that Cooper is an acceptable candidate for this medication. To help prevent excessive potassium depletion, I would like you to begin supplementation with Tumil-K (potassium supplement.)
Friday, May 16, 2014
Potassium Necessary for Cats Taking Lasix
Aside from giving your cat potassium supplements-either by pill (we use Sundown Potassium tablets cut into chunks which can easily be given by mouth; we give four times a day to Cooper and to Myrna) or by powder (for pets or for humans. Just make sure it's safe for cats) you can also give your cat a variety of foods to boost potassium. These foods can be mixed into the cat food, fed by hand or with a syringe, or if you're lucky, the cat will eat something out of a bowl. Here are some suggestions:
Baked potato with skin, avocados, cantaloup, eggs, chicken, applesauce, lima beans, tofu, bananas, peanut butter, and sweet potatoes.
I prepare bananas by breaking them into chunks, lying them in a freezer bag and freezing them, then taking out a chunk each day to thaw. Then I mix that into the cat food. Myrna Loy, our HCM cat, loves peanut butter. She will lick it off the plate. Cooper will not and spits it out if hand fed.
But I recently thought to check out baby food and voila! Sweet potatoes and bananas come in easy to use jars or plastic containers. And applesauce comes in easy to use single lunch packs (and in baby food but I've chosen to buy the lunch packs so that I can eat the applesauce as well.) These liquid versions are easily mixed into cat food and both Cooper and Myrna will eat it. And Cooper doesn't mind being fed sweet potatoes by mouth using a syringe.
Many of these foods also are a good source of proteins, sugars, and fiber. While cats with heart disease need to watch sodium levels, since the foods are fed in small amounts, sodium will not usually be of concern. But do compare labels. And some cats may need to watch protein or sugar intake for other health reasons.
Not sure if they will want to try avocados. Myrna did eat the small chunks of baked potato I mixed into her food. No one is interested in cantaloup.
Baked potato with skin, avocados, cantaloup, eggs, chicken, applesauce, lima beans, tofu, bananas, peanut butter, and sweet potatoes.
I prepare bananas by breaking them into chunks, lying them in a freezer bag and freezing them, then taking out a chunk each day to thaw. Then I mix that into the cat food. Myrna Loy, our HCM cat, loves peanut butter. She will lick it off the plate. Cooper will not and spits it out if hand fed.
But I recently thought to check out baby food and voila! Sweet potatoes and bananas come in easy to use jars or plastic containers. And applesauce comes in easy to use single lunch packs (and in baby food but I've chosen to buy the lunch packs so that I can eat the applesauce as well.) These liquid versions are easily mixed into cat food and both Cooper and Myrna will eat it. And Cooper doesn't mind being fed sweet potatoes by mouth using a syringe.
Many of these foods also are a good source of proteins, sugars, and fiber. While cats with heart disease need to watch sodium levels, since the foods are fed in small amounts, sodium will not usually be of concern. But do compare labels. And some cats may need to watch protein or sugar intake for other health reasons.
Not sure if they will want to try avocados. Myrna did eat the small chunks of baked potato I mixed into her food. No one is interested in cantaloup.
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